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- Thread starter moonlight cat- start date feb 8, 2020
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Hello, yesterday on the russian market / cis there was a big scandal! Online casino vavada.Com (yes, yes, they stole the name from bovada.Lv) changed rtp in one-armed bandits book of dead. From official rtp 96% to rtp 84% (what is minus - 16 -ev).
And now this has happened and is happening in vovada.Com 84% rtp. That's one thing, like a person betting on red/black in a roulette wheel that combines 7 (!) Zeros.
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Moonlight cat
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How can you track rtp in play'n go one-armed bandits?
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=2= right mouse button > last line in our collection (something like "see code" in english, sorry, i only have russian menu".
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Today after the scandal vavada returned rtp to 96%. Yesterday and before rtp was 84%. Bravo play n'go!
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Roedgaard72
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A couple years ago there was a thread here about rtp playngo. Pragmatic and red tiger have similar rtp options.
Harry_bkk
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Welcome to cm and thanks for the detailed screenshots.
Shocking - yes. Illegal - not so.
Play'n go provides all slots with sixth rtp settings.
Mga malta requires a minimum of 92% ukgc requires at least 90% any others are wild wild wild west. Absolutely everything operators want to offer their visitors, or more reasonably how much they love to cheat them.
Here is the official excerpt from play'n go
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I'd like to try 84%, you have to consider that it's so easy to win on png and i love a challenge.
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The fact that p 'n go actually releases their games with math models up to 84% makes me raise distrust of their integrity in general, it's very dirty to make a random game with such a huge house edge, they simply shouldn't even exist.
It would be more honest if they just came to your house and robbed you at gunpoint.
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Chopleyiom said: the aspect that p 'n go actually releases their classes with math models up to 84% makes me wonder about their honesty in general, it's pretty dirty to do random games with this huge house edge, they simply don't even need to exist.
After all, it's just a help file, what safeguards are in place then to ensure that the establishments, don't say they're using a version with more math model, but actually used one of the crappy variants?
It would be more honest if they simply matched you at home and robbed you at gunpoint.Click to expand...
I almost believe that one uk gambling house now never does!
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Chopleyiom said: after all, it's only a reference file, what safeguards are in place for the purpose of the casino not saying the movies used the actress option with more math, but actually used one of the crappy options? Click to enlarge...
Great question and i've wondered about it myself. Are there some sort of governing body that verifies or regulates this sort of thing?
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Name and shame.
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Yes, please do this or if it's something that can't be public, i would welcome a letter and of course, will respect discretion
I play in england as a student you know and trust your word @colinsunderland
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Colinsunderland
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Sufferinsilence said: name and shame.Click to extend...
I don't want to do this until i have the evidence, which is proving quite difficult as i see no way out except a help file to say. However i believe i'm right, it's not just from the main gambling house in this which has an active reputation. Still - one of the most solid uk operators.
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Have you tried the fact that op pointed out? Check the code and see what it says? That's when they can't manipulate it either.
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Colinsunderland said:i don't want to do that until i have confirmation, which is proving quite difficult, due to the fact that i don't see any option other than the help file to tell. I'm sure i'm right though, it's not one of the frequent casinos here that has an active reputation. However is one of the weighty british operators. Click to expand...
Hope they get audited and bust and fine large if that is happening.
Edit: may know something where the rtp of a particular operator has changed down and in size and something in a perfectly modest time frame.
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This is the problem with p 'n go slots, the help file is not integrated right into the game itself and looking at moonlight cat's posts, the casino can simply call another help file from a different location for example. 96%), and in the meantime run the best of the lower rtp offerings, all the way up to a diabolical 84%.
If you get a chance to say something to me about this in private @colinsunderland, still have no fear, i don't resist bringing awareness to questionable shit on this youtube channel if it has been positively identified.
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Chopleyiom said: this is a problem with p 'n go slots, the help file is not directly integrated into the game itself and looking at moonlight cat's posts, the casino may, simply call up another help file from a different location (ie. E.G. Help file 96%) and actually run one of the lower rtp methods, all the way up to a diabolical 84%.
On blureprint slots, for example, rtp is listed on the foundational screens of the roleplayers, or on the help screens, i.E. It has become a mandatory component of the game. It is an integral part of the game itself, not "called in" from elsewhere.
If you have anything to say to me privately about such @colinsunderland, do not fear, i agree to call dubious shit on my youtube channel if it has been positively identified.Click to enlarge...
The problem is that if one provider does shady stuff like this, slotters won't trust providers like blueprint who have rtp imprinted on the source screen of their slots, or btg who only have 1 rtp setup, even if there's nothing shady going on with them.
Sufferinsilence said: the problem is that if one provider is doing shady stuff like this, slothunters won't trust providers like blueprint who have rtp imprinted on the initial screen of their slots, or btg who only have 1 rtp setting even if nothing shady happens to them. Click to increase...
Would you like date to edit that?
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Goatwack said:would users like period to edit that?Click to develop...
I'm a slotter, everything is set up.
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Launching games with less rtp than applied to the fans of this game would not be interrupted by much risk for any operator with even a half decent license. They should be uploaded able to demonstrate which version of the online farm was online and at what point. Etc.Etc.. It is believed that ukgc will not like this very much and fraud can be prosecuted and the casino has nothing to protect itself if caught.
To me that is not such a good long term plan and i am convinced that such will not happen and they will get caught. There could be some major error by accident when replacing games/data, but that is also an expensive error.
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What prevents a casino from advertising a game with, say, 96% rtp, and then midway through changing it to a lower rtp?
Yes, i've been there
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Moonlight cat said: hello, yesterday we have big scandal on russian / cis market! Online casino vavada.Com (yes, yes, they stole the name from bovada.Lv) changed the rtp in book of dead slot machines. From the official rtp 96% to rtp 84% (which means minus - 16 -ev).
As visitors write on the russian forum, this slot gives 70% of the total turnover of this club and 70% of the turnover of any games play n'go, therefore "book of dead" - the most popular slot online play n'go.
The problem for vavada and play'n go is the fact that the actors can check the rtp slots play'n'go through google chrome.
And the results are absolutely shocking. This slot includes different rtp at different casinos. Some gambling sites have 96%, some have 94%. The most shocking result was at vavada.Com casino - 84% (officially stated 96%). Today vovada returned the rtp to 96% and said it will compensate players.
But from my point of view, the "change rtp" option is totally dishonest. Play'n go should remove it as soon as possible! It's vavada mirror all that also fake special programs on which establishment owners can change rtp.
And now it happened in vovada.Com 84% rtp. This is one thing like if an observer bet on red/black in roulette that includes 7 (!) Zeros.Click to expand...
Hi moonlight cat, thanks for the detailed posts.
Can i coordinate with you personally whether vavada was able to show a 96% help file for their slots while running the 84% version?
What i'm really interested in is whether a casino can cause a fake help file that shows a toy version with excellent rtp running, when in reality an online farm version with lower rtp is running.
Thanks!
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I'm trying to think of a technical way in which this would be impossible
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Spinuk
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I have this question - if a casino registered with ukgp, does not show rtp for play n go inside the game, where it is usually on the "rules" page - like other sites - would it be a license violation and directly compensate for the risk in the right game.
Mack341
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At coral when i last checked book of dead it stated something like 'rtp last month 96%'
I think it was an external help file composed by the casino rather than the ingame help file, it was useless for me to know what the rtp was last month, i wanted to know what it is today
Edit: i said a few weeks ago found coral/ladbrokes png that this whole offering of scaled down versions of rtp is starting to undermine the credibility of betting, especially when there's a rotten session in the family in a game, you inevitably start to doubt.
Last edited: february 8, 2020
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Bowki
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Mack341 said:at coral the last time i checked book of dead it said something like "rtp last month 96%'
I think it was an external help file written by the casino but not an in-game help file, it didn't help me figure out what rtp was earlier in the month i wanted to find out what it looked like todayclick to enlarge....
I have seen this before in one-2-gambling-house and as i understand it shows the real rtp earlier in the month. Not the theoretical one. In case you look again, i am sure you can find the trtp approximately in the help file.
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Colinsunderland said: i almost believe one of the uk gaming houses is doing this kind of thing today! Click to advance...